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Hey, Brad, before we go any further, I'm going to sing, and you know what?
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You can't stop me this time, except for my voice.
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Okay, you got me nervous, you ready.
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Sure.
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Happy birthday to you.
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Happy birthday to you.
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Happy birthday, dear.
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Bewitched.
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Happy birthday to you.
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Yes, and you can't stop me because it's in the public domain.
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Well, you can stop me yes, it is.
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For my voice.
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You can stop me, but you can't stop me from that.
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That just happened a few years ago and I stumbled on Bewitched.
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I said something like but anyway, they'll understand you.
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That's fine.
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People get the idea Because happy birthday, bewitched 60 years.
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One of the few things around that's older than me 60 years.
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Yesterday, september 17th 1964, bewitched debuted on ABC.
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How about that?
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Well, is it my turn to sing?
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Go ahead, yeah, absolutely, I'm going to break the rule because I tell you you can't sing and I'm going to sing.
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I know what you're going to sing Bewitched, bewitched.
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You've got me in your spell.
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Bewitched, bewitched.
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You know your craft so well.
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Before I knew what you were doing, I looked in your eyes.
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That brand of woo that you've been brewing took me by surprise.
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There we go.
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That's enough, wow.
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Sorry for those that had to bear that.
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No, you sounded good, Unlike you.
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I won't degrade your singing voice.
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You sounded good, Boy.
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You had it going too.
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You sound a little bit like Steve Lawrence.
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Did you ever hear his version of it Be which?
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Be which no.
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Yeah, it's quite the earworm.
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And before we start on trivia, did you know that they wanted that?
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And because they ran out of time.
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That's why they did not have the music or the lyrics in the theme song.
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Yeah, they didn't have lyrics in time, which I'm glad.
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I'm glad I like it's instrumental.
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I think if it was someone singing you'd say who's that?
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Is that?
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Darren?
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Yeah, who's singing that song?
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Larry Tate, who's singing that song?
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Unless it was Peggy Lee, then you'd be like doesn't sound like Elizabeth Montgomery.
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Anyway, it's a long way around going to say that we are doing a special, ultra special, supersized episode of Bewitched, actually two episodes on Bewitched.
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Now, listener, brad is always against me doing two-parters.
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He doesn't like us to do two-part episodes.
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But I said to him look, we have to do two parts for this for several reasons.
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First of all, it's really to me two different series Because, when I mean I can, the only series I can think of in which 40% of the original cast changed during the run of the show changed during the run of the show.
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So you have not just, of course, the most famous, the Darrens, but you have two different Louise Tates, two different Gladys Kravitzes.
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Frank Stevens started out as one actor, changed to another actor and then came back to the original actor for the last season.
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So it's like two different shows, don't you think?
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Yes, I do, and actually you left out Marion Lorne, who was Well, but her character didn't change.
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No, her character didn't change, but she was my favorite.
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Next on quality, she's everybody's favorite, and then she unfortunately passed away.
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And then they brought Was it?
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Two seasons later they brought Esmeralda in.
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Yes, actually, we're getting into our tidbits here.
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But yes, actually, alice Ghostly.
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They approached Alice Ghostly to replace the irreplaceable Alice Pierce.
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As Gladys Kravitz and Alice Ghostly, to her everlasting credit, said no, she was a friend of mine, she's irreplaceable, and so that's how we got the.
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I't really talk about sandra gould right now.
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But that's how?
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But yes, then esmeralda.
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They created the character of esmeralda, who was a absent-minded witch, but she wasn't an clara.
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They made a very clear point we cannot replace marion lauren yeah, and that was a smart move.
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Well, elizabeth, uh.
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Montgomery said no, yes, she did, she was adamant, she was very close, she was very close.
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She was very close with Marion Lauren.
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She actually accepted Marion Lauren's posthumous Emmy Award when Marion Lauren won Best Supporting Actress the year that she died.
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The fourth season of the year.
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Okay, but we're getting ahead of ourselves.
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We're getting way ahead of ourselves, way ahead of ourselves.
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Let's talk about 1164 Morning Glory Circle.
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Let's do it.
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I wanted to ask you what this show, what Bewitched, has meant to you as a person, as a gay man, what's the significance in your life?
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I remember watching this.
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I think it was every day in reruns with my mom.
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It was always a big deal.
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One of my mom's consistent lines was when I wanted something and I didn't want to wait, she would say I'm not, samantha, I absolutely adored it.
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I got to tell you watching it again.
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I'm like God there's so much to nitpick about this show and who gives a damn?
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It's fun as hell.
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So won't even go there, at least not right away.
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But I adored Uncle Arthur.
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I don't know if it was because of his flamboyant, which you know he was gay despite he.
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He never admitted it that I know of, or I just loved that he was a jokester.
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But god, I, I.
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He was only like 10 episodes and he had such an impact I might guarantee if you interviewed people they would say I think he was probably on 30 episodes yeah, yeah, well, the sign of a true impactful actor.
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You know, like, like Cloris Leachman on Mary Tyler Moore, people can't believe that she was only in like two or three episodes a season and you're like, but she was the impact.
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I mean he was a hugely impactful.
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Same with Dr Bombay.
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I always loved Dr Bombay.
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I love the way Dr Bombay disappeared.
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I loved he would just do that hand motion.
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It was so elegant, it was just and he was gone.
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He didn't do the arms like Agnes Moorhead, he just went.
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It was great, or Samantha's.
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I also love that he always showed up when he was in the middle of doing something kinky most of the time, always doing something bizarre and half the time it's kinky with his nurses.
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With his nurses.
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Like you, I mean, I remember very well reruns.
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This is just you know, this colors my childhood, this is in the fabric of my childhood, this show, watching it after school and just watching.
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I tell you what was really amazing for me was because they didn't show the Screen Gems, did not show the black and white episodes in syndication when Bewitched first syndicated because they figured no one would watch them.
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They were really hard to come by.
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And then I believe it was probably Nick at Night that first showed the black and white ones.
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And I was my mind, my life was.
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My mind was blown when I saw the black and white ones.
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They were so different was my mind was blown when I saw the black and white ones.
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They were so different.
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And just experiencing Alice Pierce, after years and years of the annoying, aggravating, insufferable Sandra Gould, I couldn't believe it.
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I couldn't believe it.
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So I became obsessed with the black and white ones, so much so that during there was an actor strike in the 80s, early 80s, and I wrote a letter to ABC and I said would you please you know you don't have any programming why not show the original black and white episode, the black and white episodes of Bewitched, because you can never see them anywhere.
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And I think I kind of created Nick at Night.
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I gotta tell you right now, they never answered me, but hello.
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So when you're watching TV, land right here.
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It's me, my idea.
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You're welcome, you're welcome world.
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As a fan of TV Land, I'll say thank you and I'm going to go back to Sandra Gold for a minute.
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Gladys Kravitz.
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If we must.
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Because you said that they didn't show the black and white.
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She's.
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The only one I knew was Gladys Kravitz.
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Yeah, that's all I knew, and I loved her and hated her at the same time.
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She was very annoying.
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So when the first time that I saw Alice Pierce, I'm like who is, what is this Gladys Kravitz?
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And I absolutely hated her because it just rubbed me wrong.
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It was like this isn't right.
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Watching it again, I'm like, wow, she's really good.
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She's brilliant, yeah, brilliant.
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She was a brilliant, brilliant actress.
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She's very Carol Burnett, like you know.
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If Carol Burnett's career had gone a different way, if Carol Burnett didn't have that incredible singing voice I think that you know, took her to Broadway and led her to Variety, she would have been fantastic.
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Mrs Kravitz, oh, she would have been, because, I mean, she's a little too young, especially for George Tobias, to be George Tobias' wife.
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But then again there's Vivian Vance and Bill Frawley.
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So you never know.
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But yeah, to me, alice Pierce has such humor, has such charm, has such nuance.
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Sandra Gould has no nuance.
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Sandra Gould has no charm.
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Sandra Gould is just annoying.
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But anyway, yes, we're getting way ahead of ourselves, way ahead of ourselves.
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What we're going to do today, dear listener, is we're going to kind of take the template of our Mary Tyler Moore episode and expand it, because we've decided to do two separate episodes On this episode.
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Today we're going to discuss the first five seasons of Bewitched, aka the Dick York years, and then in part two next week stay tuned for next week's episode we will talk about the Dick Sargent episodes.
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So basically the three seasons that Dick Sargent played Darren.
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But today it's Dick York land, dick York time and I'm so happy about that.
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And you mentioned, I don't like two parters.
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When you first said to me, I kind of shuddered for a second.
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I thought, no, this one we have to.
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To me, I kind of shuddered for a second.
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I thought, no, this one we have to.
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I got to tell you, though, this was the most painful, the most excruciating assignment that you've given me.
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Oh God, why I had such a how, out of 254 episodes, do I pick my favorite?
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I mean, I have my choice, but I'm like all these others.
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I want to talk about them all.
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We need a whole.
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Well, that's why we could do a bewitched podcast.
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Well, that's why we should actually, but that's why I said it has to be two episodes, Cause there was no way as hard as it was on Mary Tyler Moore.
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This was such a challenge and I don't know, and even even splitting it into two parts, I still had a hell of a time picking four episodes for the Dick York years.
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I just it was so difficult because I love them almost all of them so very much, so, very much.
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I'm the same way.
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I'm like I have all these other episodes I'd love to talk about, but I had to break it down.
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I'm like, okay, these are the best.
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They really reflect the show Hopefully both.
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Maybe when people listen to this they will email us, text us, their suggestions for their favorite episodes and, who knows, we can have a Bewitched 61st anniversary.
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I'd love that.
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Please do so.
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I would love that too.
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I'd love it at 60 years on September 17th 1964.
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And I think the reason we're here, the reason we're all here celebrating Bewitched, comes down to two words, and those two words are Elizabeth Montgomery.
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Has there ever been a more charming, more beautiful, more luminous television star than Elizabeth Montgomery?
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I really don't think so.
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I mean, you know I love Mary Tyler Moore, God knows I love Lucy.
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Elizabeth Montgomery is up there with them in the Pantheon.
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She is the most charming, lovable, just effervescent TV star I think there ever was.
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And if you're used to Samantha, as you usually saw her as a really good playing housewife, watch the first episode where she is so Samantha's so uncomfortable because Darren takes her to the society meeting and Samantha dresses up inappropriately and Darren's ex-fiance is there.
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She plays that so well and after seeing her play the housewife for so long and then seeing her in this incident where she's so unsure of herself, I like wow, she really is a good actress she was a wonderful actress.
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Well, all I have to do is watch her post bewitched work.
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I mean, it's all on youtube the legend of lizzie borden chilling uh, a case of rape chilling.
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She did those edna buchanan mysteries before she died.
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Incredible work, incredible work.
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Here's the thing about.
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The thing about.
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Elizabeth Montgomery was nominated for nine Emmys and four Golden Globes.
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She was nominated for Bewitched five times and I just want to get this out there in the beginning.
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Okay, she was nominated.
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She never won an Emmy for Bewitched.
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Now, as I said before, we all know how much I love Lucy.
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Okay, as I said before, we all know how much I love Lucy.
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But in 1967 and 1968, lucille Ball won back-to-back Emmys for Outstanding Actress in a Comedy.
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Now, the first one in 67 is really touching.
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She hadn't won an Emmy in a long time.
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She was totally surprised.
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Her speech is very touching.
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And then she won again.
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So I'm just going to put this out there.
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Let's please take back one of those, the 68, the repeat, because she didn't care.
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She was kind of sarcastic in her speech and she really didn't care.
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She was like, oh, I'm winning again.
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I think she had a piece of cheese in her mouth.
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Give it to Elizabeth Montgomery.
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How can you not give this woman an Emmy for this performance?
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I don't understand it.
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It's one of the biggest travesties in Emmy history, in awards history, as far as I'm concerned.
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I agree 100%.
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When I saw that, I was absolutely amazed that it wasn't more.
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It's shocking, isn't it?
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It's shocking, yes, it really was.
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Especially when you consider how popular the show was, I mean there were seasons that was above beverly, hillbillies.
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Oh, it was the.
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It was the number one rated tv sitcom.
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In its first season it was number two.
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It was behind bonanza, but as far as comedies go it was the number one comedy on television.
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It was abc's first biggest hit ever.
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It was ab ABC's big, an entire network's biggest hit ever.
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It was huge and it you know, it was in the top 10 for its first three seasons and then it fell to like 11, the final two.
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And then the unfortunate occurrence happened and we got I mean, we'll talk about Dick Sargent, but there was, there was an immediate drop in the ratings once Dick York left and it went to 24 and then it just bottomed out.
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In its last year I think it was 72, which I think is unfortunate.
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And we'll get to this in our next episode, because there are some episodes from the final season I actually really like.
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But we'll get to that.
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We'll get to that later.
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I agree and tell me.
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Well, I know for a fact that ABC, when it comes to between CBS and NBC, abc, is much younger, much Still been around a while, but it's much younger.
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And so you're telling me that for the decade and a half I'm going to guess maybe two decades that it was on actually probably a decade and a half it never really had a hit.
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It had a couple of hits, but it didn't have this kind of gargantuan.
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It didn't have Lucy, it didn't have the Honeymooners, it didn't have George Burns and Gracie Allen.
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These were all CBS, nbc.
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So when they bought this little series about a witch who marries a mortal from Screen Gems, they had no idea.
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They had no idea what was going to happen.
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In fact, there was some resistance to it because they thought that it would not be accepted in the South.
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The idea of a witch was a little too conservative for the South.
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So they were a little worried.
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And then Chevrolet, the sponsor, came on board and they said let's do it, and it became their biggest hit ever, their biggest hit ever.
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So I think it's amazing.